Sir Alec Shelbrooke

Conservative and Unionist Party MP for Wetherby and Easingwold since (elected).

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  1. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Budget Resolutions

    May I say that it is a genuine pleasure to follow the excellent maiden speech of the hon. Member for Holborn and St Pancras (Sagal Abdi-Wali)? As a West Ham fan, I understand that it is the optimism that kills you; she is a Spurs fan, so after last season, I think I will leave that there. I congratulate her: it is not easy to follow in the footsteps of a Prime Minister and to fight against the leader of another national party. As she pointed out, the racial attacks on her in the lead-up to that election were absolutely disgraceful. I am sure that the vast majority of people in this House stand in solidarity with her. I wish her a successful career in this House; I am sure that she will be a great asset to it. Today’s debate is about growth in every postcode, but I will focus on the genuine threat of war to this country. The Budget does not deal with the defence issues that must be addressed. We could carry on saying that we have a plan to have a plan, and kicking things down the road, but that would be to hide from the reality of what is going on in the world. Just today we saw a cyber-attack <span id="637" class="column-number" data-column-number="637"></span>that destroyed hundreds of millions of pounds-worth of frozen and refrigerated stock across at least six European countries. We know that such cyber-attacks are taking place every day, yet we are still delaying the real investment that needs to take place. I was recently in Australia with the NATO Parliamentary Assembly. In Australia, inflation is 4%, cost of living is the No. 1 priority and 55% say immigration is too high, yet the Australians have decided to invest in defence. In the 1980s, they felt that their geography gave them the security, and now they have recognised that it does not. They are in the process of doubling their navy, with three air defence destroyers, six frigate submarine hunters, 11 general purpose frigates, six large missile barges and eight launching vessels to protect army capability. Of course, with AUKUS, they also have a built-in 50% contingency. Germany is going to have 15 extra frigates by 2035, Finland is going to have four new corvettes by 2035, and Norway is going to have five new frigates, six new submarines and 28 standard vessels by 2035, yet we say that we are aiming to get to 3.5% by 2035. I have said this before, and I will say it again: targeting a percentage of GDP is false and wrong. The target was only brought in to satisfy the Americans in 2014. Plenty of us have a lot of complaints about President Trump, but at least he got European countries spending. As far back as Eisenhower, the Americans were saying that Europe needed to spend more on defence. George Bush made such a speech in 2007, and Barack Obama made one in 2014 when the target came in. What really matters is article 3. Everybody talks about article 5 and defence. If article 5 is triggered, nations have a choice as to what they contribute to collective defence. Everybody thinks that America will pile in with its troops, tanks, planes and warships, but it could simply say, “We will provide the intelligence,” and that would satisfy article 5. Article 3 states that a country must be able to defend its borders for three weeks. NATO is a reinforcement. We simply cannot carry on saying, “We are going to do a defence investment review in a year’s time”—not actually investing in a year’s time, but doing a review! I welcome today’s news that double shifts might be done at the dockyards to produce more frigates, but that should be happening now. In the time I have remaining, let me say this. I said before in this House that when we cut spending from 5% of GDP—that level was just a consequence of what we needed to spend—the 3% went into health and welfare, and that it would be a brave politician who stood up and said that we should cut those things, especially welfare, to invest in defence. Well, that is exactly what the Leader of the Opposition is now saying. The time has more than passed. The threat of war in this country is on the horizon. We do not want it to happen, so we bury our heads in the sand and say that we can delay the spending. That cannot carry on. The threat is imminent.

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  2. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Immigration: Earned Settlement

    It is weeks since I wrote to the immigration Minister, but I have not had a response—out of generosity of spirit, I will say that the Government have been busy—so I will take this opportunity to invite the Home Secretary to come to the proposed site in Linton-on-Ouse. It is an integrated village. If the Home Secretary were to come and see it for herself, I think she would be quite shocked. I do so in the full, open spirit of working co-operatively—I do not even mind if I cannot be there on the day. I really want the Home Secretary to come to site with the Linton-on-Ouse action group and to see for herself just how inappropriate it is.

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  3. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Level of Threat: Russia

    I am grateful for the Secretary of State’s last answer, because it is important that the American President and the US Defence Secretary understand that Russia started this war. Did the right hon. Gentleman also point out that the President’s decision to buy diesel from Russia is actually funding Iran, because the Russians are buying it in from Iran, and that it is therefore counterintuitive to what the Americans are trying to achieve with their blockade?

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  4. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill

    I am extremely grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way. She has outlined the will of this House, but she may remember that, during the passage of the last Bill, I asked the then Prime Minister at Prime Minister’s questions to do what has happened with similar Bills in the past—on homosexuality, on abortion and on the death penalty—which was to give time on the Floor of the House for Committee of the whole House. That would massively strengthen amendments that are made by using the whole House to approve them. That is a choice for Government Front Benchers, so is the hon. Lady going to lobby her own Government to give everybody in this House the opportunity to properly scrutinise the Bill in Committee?

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  5. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Air Traffic Control Disruption

    I am okay, Madam Deputy Speaker. I will struggle on, thank you very much. The Minister has outlined that there is an investment programme for technology and upgrades, but with software upgrades, there is always the concern that the premise of the programmes will keep getting changed, and that can bring in delays or bugs to a system. Does the Minister have oversight to ensure that the plans for what needs to be done do not keep getting sidetracked by people deciding, “This is a bit more shiny—we should do that”? That would delay the whole thing, and leave us with what looks like an increasingly antiquated system.

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  6. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Public Confidence in the Police

    Order. I regret to interrupt the Minister, but Members should not use the word “you” to refer to each other. They should speak through the Chair, who is here to adjudicate, so that the debate does not become too fractious.

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  7. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Bus Stops

    I will call Alex Mayer to move the motion and then the Minister to respond. I remind other Members that they may make a speech only with the prior permission of the Member in charge of the debate and the Minister. As is the convention for for 30-minute debates, there will not be an opportunity for the Member in charge to wind up.

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  8. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Bus Stops

    The hon. Member for Shrewsbury has been given permission to speak by the hon. Member for Dunstable and Leighton Buzzard and the Minister, but I will be calling the Minister to speak at 20 minutes past 11.

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  9. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Media Green Paper

    I just want to pick up something, because I have not studied the proposal to turn off the digital Freeview signal in enough detail. Every house would need an internet supply, so would that supply be provided free or would people have to subscribe to get it in?

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  10. ParliamentSir Alec Shelbrooke

    Media Green Paper

    It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Dr Allin-Khan. Universal accessibility is vital in this debate. I agree with much of what has been said so far, but I am concerned about the switch-off of free-to-air as it stands. In the year I was elected, 2010, there were strong proposals to switch off the FM and AM signals. We are now 16 years down the line, and long-wave has just been switched off; the comments of my right hon. Friend the Member for Maldon (Sir John Whittingdale) about losing the ability to do a long-wave broadcast are important to bear in mind. We keep talking about the technology moving along and about being able to access broadcasts on cables and the internet, but that will never be true for people who live on canal boats, for example. With digital television, these days someone can just stick up a Squarial, point it in roughly the right direction and get their television channels—my wife and I have taken holidays in a canal boat and in a camper van, and we have been able to do that. A camper van is slightly different, because it is probably used more for leisure purposes, but there are people who live on canal boats. How are they going to get an internet connection? Technology may move on, but it worries me that we say, “In order to solve this problem and that problem, you are going to have to buy or rent something, or in some way or another enter into a contract to receive something that you currently get free.” The BBC is one of the most valuable institutions this country has, because it is able to be a public service broadcaster. It loses its way at times, when chasing ratings and saying that it has to be in competition, on some things that only a public service broadcaster can deliver. If we say that people will have to pay something or other to be able to get television, surely that completely destroys a licence fee. People will be not only taxed to watch television, but charged again to actually be able to use the thing that they are paying a tax on. The BBC has to maintain a free-to-air service, however that is delivered. I am not sure that that technology is there yet but, once it is, it will be vital that people are not charged for it. The way forward is having tried and tested technology. A lot of us went out and bought DAB radios when they came out. Most of those DAB radios are now in the bin, because DAB+ was brought out and Classic FM stopped broadcasting on DAB; my previous car did not have DAB+, so I had to go back to FM to listen. I am sure we all have certain digital radio sets that now do not pick up many channels at all. The industry changing what a person can receive on, after they have already invested in new equipment, is also something that must be looked at. My constituency has a lot of people who live on canal boats; I am sure many other constituencies do too. We must give careful consideration to those areas: where there is not a solid land point of contact permanently, how are we going to make sure that people receive the <span id="329WH" class="column-number" data-column-number="329WH"></span>things that they currently get and pay a licence fee for? The licence fee is not a television licence fee; it is a licence fee, because it covers the radio broadcast as well. If it slowly gets to the point where people say, “I am already paying for this, so I am not going to pay for that,” it will remove a whole host of radio, and I think that radio is the most important thing that the BBC does. I very rarely watch television news now, because it is just a second-by-second diatribe as the broadcasters try to fill in a gap all day long, whereas anyone who listens to radio news will actually get the news in half an hour. There is probably more news in the 6 o’clock news on Radio 4 than in two hours on one of the other broadcasters. There are some very sensible programmes; it is a great pity that “The World Tonight” is coming to an end, although replacing it with “Newshour” from the World Service could be very useful. However, there could be some unforeseen circumstances if we are asking people to pay twice. Given the reputation of the television licence, they may stop paying it. Fundamentally, I want to make sure that we do not take away the ability even to receive television, and that we keep considering whether people may be land-based and whether they can get that connection.

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